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#1 CatalinChis

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Posted 11 November 2010 - 11:32 PM

Buna ziua,

In momentul de fata cand vine vorba de ovine multa lumea sare ca si arsa spunand ca nu mai sunt rentabile. de aceea as dori sa va provoc sa gasim cheile care aduc bani din activitatile cu oi si cheltuielile care saracesc buzunarele fermierilor.
ca si venituri eu propun urmatoarele chestii:
vanzare miei pretul de Paste in ultimii ani, cel putin in zona Maramures a fost in jur de 10 lei/kg cu diverse variatii, iar media greutatii in jur de 15 kg asta inseamna ca un miel costa in jur de 150 lei
vanzare cas pretul in aceasi zona a fost in jur de 10 lei. daca o oaie produce in timpul verii 30 litrii de lapte iar rata de conversie este in jur de 1kg cas/5 kg lapte atunci in intreaga perioada ar fi 60 lei
lana din pacate cu cei 1,8 lei/kg acopera de cele mai multe ori doar costul tunderii oilor.
tot la venituri se pot pune si cei 10 euro din subventie.
totalul veniturilor pe cap de oaie ar fi in jur de 230 lei/cap de oaie.

Acum apar cheltuielile....aici as avea nevoie de o mana de ajutor pentru ca eu ca persoana pasionata de aceste vietati de cele mai multe ori evit sa vad si partea cu minusurile.
costurile mari pe care le vad eu sunt : ingrijitorii aproximativ 5 lei /luna *12= 60 lei pe an
tratamente (deparazitari, vaccinari) aproximativ 5 lei pe oaie
ar mai fii furajele si porumbul unde as avea nevoie de ajutorul dumneavoastra pentru un calcul cat mai precis si profesionist.

Nu stiu daca acest subiect vi se pare interesant dar pentru mine acest subiect este o mica mare bataie de cap... pentru ca atunci cand imi conduc singur "contabilitatea" e destul de usor sa fentezii cu toate ca asta nu arata o corectitudine cu sine insuti. asa ca va rog pe dumneavoastra cei interesati de acest subiect sa ma ajutati sa imi fac un calcul...

Va multumesc anticipat,
Catalin Chis

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 05:24 PM

Buna ziua,

In momentul de fata cand vine vorba de ovine multa lumea sare ca si arsa spunand ca nu mai sunt rentabile. de aceea as dori sa va provoc sa gasim cheile care aduc bani din activitatile cu oi si cheltuielile care saracesc buzunarele fermierilor.
ca si venituri eu propun urmatoarele chestii:
vanzare miei pretul de Paste in ultimii ani, cel putin in zona Maramures a fost in jur de 10 lei/kg cu diverse variatii, iar media greutatii in jur de 15 kg asta inseamna ca un miel costa in jur de 150 lei
vanzare cas pretul in aceasi zona a fost in jur de 10 lei. daca o oaie produce in timpul verii 30 litrii de lapte iar rata de conversie este in jur de 1kg cas/5 kg lapte atunci in intreaga perioada ar fi 60 lei
lana din pacate cu cei 1,8 lei/kg acopera de cele mai multe ori doar costul tunderii oilor.
tot la venituri se pot pune si cei 10 euro din subventie.
totalul veniturilor pe cap de oaie ar fi in jur de 230 lei/cap de oaie.

Acum apar cheltuielile....aici as avea nevoie de o mana de ajutor pentru ca eu ca persoana pasionata de aceste vietati de cele mai multe ori evit sa vad si partea cu minusurile.
costurile mari pe care le vad eu sunt : ingrijitorii aproximativ 5 lei /luna *12= 60 lei pe an
tratamente (deparazitari, vaccinari) aproximativ 5 lei pe oaie
ar mai fii furajele si porumbul unde as avea nevoie de ajutorul dumneavoastra pentru un calcul cat mai precis si profesionist.

Nu stiu daca acest subiect vi se pare interesant dar pentru mine acest subiect este o mica mare bataie de cap... pentru ca atunci cand imi conduc singur "contabilitatea" e destul de usor sa fentezii cu toate ca asta nu arata o corectitudine cu sine insuti. asa ca va rog pe dumneavoastra cei interesati de acest subiect sa ma ajutati sa imi fac un calcul...

Va multumesc anticipat,
Catalin Chis

Probabil ca dvs .tineti oile pe timpul verii la munte , unde nu aveti cheltuieli cu furajele , dar pe timp de iarna , cat stau la grajd ,trebuie hranite cu fan si uruiala de cereale .Deci 5 kg de fan/zi x 0,5 lei/kg= 2,5 lei/zi + 0,2kg de cereale x 0,5 lei/kg= 1 leu/zi , total 2,6 lei/zi de cap de oaie . Daca le tineti in saivan dec+ian+feb , adica 90 zile x 2,6 lei/zi= 234 lei lei pe iarna . De unde se vede ca intr-adevar oile nu mai sunt rentabile .
Singura varianta , in opinia mea este sa va orientati sa vindeti mieii mai in toamna , mai mari , la turci sau arabi , la un pret mai bun si sa cresteti oi de lapte , mai productive ( de ex rasa sarda, ostfriesiche milkschaf germana , ) care dau lapte de 5- 6 ori mai mult ca turcanele sau tigaia, dar sunt si mult mai pretentioase , sau sa cresteti oi de carne .
mult succes.
Cu stima ,
Tiberiu

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 12:15 PM

Mai intai scuze pentru intarzierea cu care reactionez la acest topic!
Mai apoi, trebuie sa-ti spun ca nu asa se face un "bussines-plan"! E adevarat ca socoteala ta nu s-a vrut a fi un bussines-plan in adevaratul sens al cuvantului, ci a fost mai degraba un calcul empiric al ceea ce inseamna sa cresti oi. Dar chiar si asa, premizele de la care ai pornit nu sunt ok.
In primul rand trebuie sa stii ca exista cheltuieli fixe (cum ar fi de ex. amortismentul cladirilor, care este acelasi indiferent cate oi tii in ele) si cheltuieli variabile (de ex. costul furajelor, care variaza in functie de nr. de oi furajate, de nr. de zile de furajare, de pretul de achizitie, etc.).
Cu privire la socoteala ta referitor la cheltuilile cu "ingrijitorii", daca peste vara dai oile la cioban, atunci da, intr-adevar se socoteste cheltuiala pe cap de oaie. Daca insa ai cioban angajat, atunci cheltuiala pe cap de oaie este cu atat mai mare cu cat ai oi mai putine (si invers, cu cat ai oi mai multe cu atat cheltuiala/cap este mai mica). Asa ca 5lei/cap/luna nu prea vad de unde ai scos-o.
Daca dai oile la cioban "pe branza", adica ciobanul iti da un anumit nr. de kg de branza/cap de oaie, in mod normal nu ar mai trebui sa-i platesti nimic pentru ca el si-a retinut deja cheltuiala cu intretinerea oilor peste vara. La noi in Banat, in astfel de situatii proprietarul oilor primeste 6-7kg branza/cap de oaie. Mai exista si varianta in care proprietarul oilor ia intreaga productie de lapte (cand ii vine randul la muls), situatie in care va trebui sa-i plateasca ciobanului intretinerea oilor peste vara (inclusiv tratamente, vaccinari, etc.). Aceste situatii sunt intalnite aici in Banat, insa nu stiu cum stau lucrurile la voi, la Maramu'.
Cu privire la cantitatea de "cas"/cap de oaie/lactatie, sa stii ca de la turcane, in mod obisnuit se pot obtine cel putin 15kg de cas/an (cantitatea difera in functie de varietatea de turcana, de lungimea lactatiei, de anotimp, de clima, etc).
Referitor la furaje, cu cat oile sunt tinute mai mult timp pe pasune, cu atat sunt mai rentabile, pentru ca isi aduna singure hrana. In stabulatie insa, adica in saivan, trebuie sa le dai ceea ce le-ai adunat peste vara. Cu cat perioada de stabulatie este mai lunga, cu atat costurile cu furajarea sunt mai mari. In general, poti socoti un consum de 2-3kg fan/zi/cap de oaie si aprox. 50-60 kg de graunte/oaie. Grauntele le-am socotit pe intreaga perioada pentru ca se dau cu vreo luna inainte de fatare si se continua pana ce oile ies la pasune.
Si un ultim amanunt: in toamna 2010, s-au vandut mieii cu aprox. 8 lei/kg, ceea ce a insemnat la berbectutii bine intretinuti aproape 100 Euro pe bucata. Nu-i rau. Nu-i asa?

Sa auzim numai de bine!
Felician

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