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#1 banci77

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 07:17 PM

Doresc sa cumpar o presa de balotat second hand .Rugamintea mea este daca cineva a avut de a-face cu prese de balotat(paralelepidice sau cilindrice) sa ma ajute cu un sfat.Lucrez o suprafata de aprox 30 hectare faneata si 4de lucerna. Nu pot sa-ma hotarasc ce tip de presa sa cumpar,cele paralelepidice mai ieftine cred mai greu de intretinut,la lucru consum de motorina mai mare ,consum de ata mai mare iar balotii trebuiesc depozitati(in timp cat mai scurt sa nu fie ploati).Avantaje ar fi pretul si loc mai mic(mai compact)de depozitare al balotilor,mai usor de manevrat. Cele cilindrice au viteza de lucru mai mare cu un consum de motorina si ata mai mica cred ca si puterea de presare mai mare.Dezavantajele ar fi pretul si manipularea balotilor mai grea si loc de depozitare mai mare. Problema este ca nu stiu ce sa cumpar ,merita la un efectiv de 30-40 de vaci(in urmatori 5 ani nu cred ca voi mai extinde efectivul) investitie mai mare sau sa ma opresc la o presa mai ieftina(paralelepidica)Pretul ar fi 3000-4000 euro cele paralelepidice si de la5000 in sus cele cilindrice.Care sunt cele mai frecvente probleme mecanice la aceste prese? Cat costa intretinerea lor?

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Posted 03 February 2009 - 08:05 PM

Si eu as vrea sa aflu rãspunsul la aceste întrebãri.
Am auzit cã presele cilindrice ar scutura prea tare lucerna si ca urmare nu sunt prea bune pentru baloþii de lucernã.
Cu privire la manipularea baloþilor sugerez sã foloseºti un încãrcãtor frontal pentru tractor.
Sau pentru mutat si incarcat baloþii poþi confecþiona un "bales mover" si un "bales loader". O cautare in google - imagini, va poate oferi multe idei ieftine.


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Posted 03 February 2009 - 09:41 PM

Salut crescatorilor de bovine!,
Am o ferma de porci si am adunat si eu vreo 15000 de baloti asta vara,cu doua balotiere ,una pt. baloti rotunzi mici(diam.60 cm,latime 70 cm) noua,marca Wolagri Italia ,am dat pe ea 7000 euro ,si una paralelipipedica second New Holand ,am dat pe ea 2700 euro.Cea pt.rotunzi am luat-o din aceleasi considerente ca si tine ,numai cu a singura obs.:ai zis ca cea pt baloti perpen. consuma mai multa ata(sau poate am inteles gresit).Se poate sa fie asa la diametre mari,dar la mine cea pt.rotunzi consuma de 6-8 ori mai mult.In afara de asta si eu am crezut ca cea pt.rotunzi e mai fiabila....in cazul meu nu e asa,cea pt rotunzi facea cam 50 baloti pe ora si se cam deregla ,cei drept balotii erau mai densi,cealalta cam 150 si a mers super (am avut noroc ca aparatul de legat era nou,se vedea dupa vopsea),faceam cam 1500 pe zi cu ea.Cei paralel. sunt pretentiosi la manevrat,trebuie tensionata bine ata,se mai rupe surubul de sigutranta,dar cu ea am facut treaba.Probleme la depozitat cu shobo ,rod ata de parca ar fi cea mai buna mancare din lume,daca roade o spira de la cel rotund, hai mai merge,daca roade o ata de la paralel..... nashpa.Daca ar fi sa-ti dau un sfat,doar am balotat cu amandoua,balotiera pt. rotunzi mici nu lua,pt. rotunzi mari nu cunosc,as inclina pt. paralelipipedici. Si eu am analizat :consum ata,fiabilitate,depozitare,etc..etc..Numai ca trebuie vazuta de cineva care se pricepe,jocuri,uzura,aparat de legat,graifere,ungere etc...Dar poti face cu un una buna daca tragi tare si 2000 baloti pe zi(cum am avut grau mare anu' trecut,aveau 15-20 kg buc.)
La mine cea pt. paralelip. a dat rez. mai bune.
Va salut,
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Posted 03 February 2009 - 11:40 PM

Eram sa uit,apropos de lucerna,am balotat pentru cineva si lucerna,si intr-adevar cea cu baloti rotunzi scutura lucerna mai mult decat cea cu baloti paralel.
Fan nu am balotat.Doar paie si lucerna.

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 05:08 PM

Incep sa ma gandesc tot mai mult la o presa paralelep.Cel mai tare argument este cel financiar plus la balotii rotunzi e nevoie de incarcator frontal care ma costa iarasi citeva mii.Am de tras cativa ani buni sa acopar investitia. La utilajele second mai intervin cheltuieli neprevazute(rulmenti ,lanturi,curele). Alta intrebare ar fii:este vre-o marca anume mai fiabila cu probleme mai putine?

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 12:42 AM

Incep sa ma gandesc tot mai mult la o presa paralelep.Cel mai tare argument este cel financiar plus la balotii rotunzi e nevoie de incarcator frontal care ma costa iarasi citeva mii.Am de tras cativa ani buni sa acopar investitia. La utilajele second mai intervin cheltuieli neprevazute(rulmenti ,lanturi,curele). Alta intrebare ar fii:este vre-o marca anume mai fiabila cu probleme mai putine?

Salutari tuturor.detin o presa de baloti rotunzi sh de vreo doi ani marca JOHN DEERE 570 130x120cm cu camera variabila si sunt f multumit de ea a mers fara probleme.dupa un U650
viteza de innaintare cu a 3a chiar si a4a
nu am numerotat cati face la ora dar sare de 35-40 si ar fi echivalentu a 200 250 paralelip
lucerna daca o balotezi cand trebuie iarna o gasesti ca si cand atunci ai lua o de pe camp.nu se scutura nu se toaca ceeace la presa paral pana si paiele de grau sant tocate
simplitate in constructie; orcine mai priceput un pic poate sa o repare
se rupe o curea nici o problema aceasi clema ce a innadit cureaua de noua pote sa innadeasca si la ruptura
consumu mic de mot si ata de balotat
singura problema e manevrarea balotilor dar se rezolva cu un incarcator frontal (ce este de mare ajutor intr-o ferma de animale ) si scuteste forta de munca
sunt si prese de baloti rotunzi fara curele pe tamburi singurul dezavantaj la acestea ar fi ca nu poti face baloti mai mici
teddy_ghe tractoare si utilaje agricole

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 11:13 AM

eu o sa cultiv lucerna anul asta si pentru presa m-am orientat la una noua , baloti rotunzi, italiana supertino baloti mici 50-70.
Lucerna trebuuie balotata dimineata de pe la 4 si pana la 9 daca vrei sa nu se scuture , alta solutie o faci baloti mai verde si folosesti inoculant de la pioneer daca nu-ti stau bani in buzunar.

A folosit cineva cositoarea cu tamburi pe terenuri in panta ? am niste faneata si nu mai vreau sa folosesc forta de munca .

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 05:24 PM

Majoritatea fanetelor lucrate de mine sunt pe terenuri cu inclinatie mare ,dar nu este problema la cosit cu cositoarea cu tamburi mari. Trebuie avut grija la rozoare :la urcare sau coborare sa nu trageti cositoarea in pamant iar la inclinare mare poate exista pericolul de rasturnare,acolo mai bine lasati necosit sau daca aveti posibilitatea lasati vitele.Dezavantajul este ca se lucreaza mai greu cu costuri mai mari(timp,motorina) fata de terenurile plane.La adunat apar aceleasi probleme,atentie la inbalotat daca balotati cu presa cilindrica la eliberarea balotului,acesta poate fugi la vale(balotul mare culca tot in calea lui) In rest cu putina atentie totul e ok.

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 11:31 PM

Sunt din Arad
cine poate sa imi spuna?
1. presele romanesti pentru baloti paralelipipedici sunt fiabile? (ca am observat ca astea sunt mai ieftine :D )
2. pretul de la care porneste o astfel de presa?
Multumesc anticipat

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 01:20 PM

eu am am un john deere de bloti paralelipipedici si pot sa va zic ca e pintre cele mai fiabile,dar si asa se tot deregleaza/strica.Am luat-o second hand cu 11000 ron.Ori cum daca ai o ferma mai mare eu zic ca nu se merita.Mana de lucru scumpa la manipulari,balotii se strica daca nu ii pui la adapost.Eu strang bani pt una dinaia care face rotunzi.Atat avantaj au astia mici ca poti sa ii vinzi mai usor si manipulare mai usoara iarna prin ferma cand duci la animale.
Aia rotunzi,odata ca ii faci mai repede si ramane mai intreg fanu(asta paralelipipedica il toaca) ii si incarci mai usor daca ai incarcator si pe o balena imediat i-ai si carat.Daca cumva ii prinde ploaia balotati,nu au nici pe dreaq...pe aia paralelipipedici ii face varza.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:37 PM

Buna Ziua!
Doresc sa cumpar o presa de imbalotat rotunda as vrea sa stiu si eu ce marci sunt mai bune si ce defecte pot aparea in timpul functionari.
As vrea sa stiu diferenta dintre presele de imbalotat pe role si cele pe curele,si cam cat ar costa o curea/

Va Multumesc!

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