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Posted 06 August 2006 - 10:47 AM

salutare si bun gasit,
as dori sa transform actuala exploatatie agricola pe care o detin intr-o exploatatie ecologica(biologica) dar nu stiu inca bine pasii care trebuiesc facuti. nu stie nimeni ce si cum trebuie facut???

sa dea dumnezeu timp bun!

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Posted 06 August 2006 - 10:19 PM

salutare si bun gasit,
as dori sa transform actuala exploatatie agricola pe care o detin intr-o exploatatie ecologica(biologica) dar nu stiu inca bine pasii care trebuiesc facuti. nu stie nimeni ce si cum trebuie facut???

sa dea dumnezeu timp bun!

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 08:02 AM

salutare,

multumesc in primul rand pt rapiditatea si de ce nu si pt eficacitate. in acest sfarsit de saptamana am studiat toate aceste materiale iar ieri am telefonat in la cateva centre de consultanta agricola. se pare ca nu e asa complicat si asta ma cam ingrijoreaza, ramane sa mai discut cu un arganism autorizat in certificare sa vedem cat e de "groasa". ma gandeam ca deja, careva ar fi facut aceste demersuri si imi spune la modul practic cesi cum dar e foarte bine si asa. se pare ca ar fi sustinere si prin programul Sapard 3.3 unde mia sunt inca fonduri nealocate. ne auzim curand si sper ca va pot povesti eu mai mult pe aceasta tema.

o zi buna tuturor.

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Posted 09 August 2006 - 08:14 AM

Si ca sa dau un exemplu despre cum ar fi trebuit cheltuiti (dupa umila mea parere) banutii de la onorata UE si un model de urmat (deja prea tarziu - din pacate), iata ce spunea un consumator roman, care nu are de a face cu agricultura si cu atat mai putin ministeriada fluturilor and co.:

"Dragilor, uite cum sta treaba.

In Romania se importa legume si fructe din tari care nu sunt apte d.p.d.v. climatologic sa le produca.
Ma refer la soiurile care nu sunt intalnite in tarile acelea, nu la frunctele care cresc normal acolo.
De exemplu, Siria, Israel, Turcia, Egipt, etc.
Aceste tari cultiva legumele in mod artificial. Daca ar fi lasate sa creasca normal, acestea nu ar trai.
In Grecia ( sau Turcia ) rosiile sunt crecute in niste plantatii irigate artificial . Apa este transportata la planta prin niste tevi si picurata in mod constant, laq radacina.
In apa se pun ingrasaminte si substante care accelereaza dezvoltarea plantei
Dupa ce leguma da in parg, este recoltata ( aproape verde ) si refrigerata intr-un mediu controlat (2 ~ 4 grade). Dupa aceea este transportata in camioane frigorifice. Totul este calculat in asa fel incat leguma sa capete culoare ( sa dea impresia de copt ) doar cand este vanduta en-detail.

De aceea, continutul de zahar( nu numai ) este foarte mic.
Legumele obtinute prin acest procedeu sunt fade, fara gust, avand au un gust pronuntat de chimicale.
O chetie mai putin cunoscuta. Fructele si legumele crescute in tari foarte calde nu sunt atacate de daunatori, pentru ca acolo nu traiesc daunatorii respectivi ( datorita climatului extrem de secetos, aproape desertic).

Legumele si fructele din Romania sunt produse prin mijloace traditionale, dar total ineficiente.
Soiurile cultivate sunt putin rezistente, polenizarea fiind facuta natural. In acest fel, plantele sunt aduse la acel numitor si isi pierd soiul.
Fructul astfel obtinut este depreciat de daunatori, culegere si ambalarea necorespunzatoare, transport, depozitare, etc.

Ce se intampla in Germania sau Franta ?
In aceste doua tari, comertul cu fructe si legume este monopolizat de emigrantii din tarile arabe. Acestia aduc legume si fructe din tarile lor de origine. Costul mic de productie este decisiv si in tarile dezvoltate, nu numai in Romania. De aceea, si acolo sunt probleme similare.

Romania are potential enorm, dar nu exista organizare si know-how in cultivarea legumelor .
Nu mai vorbesc de lipsa investitiilor si a infrastructurii. Degeaba creste o rosie extraordinara si cu gust mirobolant, daca dupa ce a fost culeasa de pe camp, nu este bagata la frig si tinuta in mediu curat.
Fructul sau leguma incepe procesul de alterare, chiar din momentul culegerii. Daca laditele cu rosii sunt tinute in soare, la 32 grade Celsius, deprecierea poate fi mai mare de 30% . Rosia devine moale, apar petele maronii ( zone in proces de putrefatie ), se contamineaza cu bacterii. Transportul in remorci tractate de IMS-uri sau Aro, este catastrofal. Legumele colecteaza o doza enorma de metale grele, sulf si alti compusi nocivi ai procesului de la esapamentul unor asemenea troace pe roti. Metalele grele penetreaza membrana fructului si se fixeaza in pulpa. Spalarea nu rezolva contaminarea. Nu mai vorbim de caldura din remorci.

Vanzarea la piata este, deasemenea, improprie. Expunerea la ultraviolete, udarea in mod repetat cu apa de la robinet ( clorinata ), duce la o accelerare a deprecierii frutelor si legumelor.

O plantatie eficienta, pura d.p.d.v biolgic, ar trebui sa cuprinda urmatoarele:

- 20 ~ 50 hectare teren in zone de lunca.
- Utilaje pentru absolut toate operatiile specifice.
- Terenul cultivat trebuie protejat de daunatori si furtuna,grindina, folosindu-se un fel de custi imbracate in plasa ca de tantari, suficient de mari pentru a permite trecerea utilajelor agricole.
- Udarea trebuie facuta stiintific, dupa masuratori, fara prea mult abuz de apa.
Apa nu trebuie sa fi clorinata si este obligatori a fi tratata pentru a avea o structura cat mai apropiata de apa provenita din precipitatiile atmosferice.
- Polenizarea trebuie facuta controlat, de insecte speciale ( un fel de bondari foarte curati ) pentru a nu imprastia in plantatie diversi daunatori sau microbi.
- Toate etapele cresterii trebuie sa fie asistate de ingineri agronomi, specializati in cresterea soiurilor respective.
- Recoltarea trebuie facuta extrem de atent. Fructul nu trebuie lovit, trantit, rostogolit, scuturat, ciupit, intepat, strosit sau strivit. Depozitare trebuie facuta in asa fel incat de la momentul recoltarii pana la momentul intrarii in depozitul frigorific, sa nu treaca mai mult de 30 ~ 40 minute.

- Depozite frigorifice cu clima controlata ( temperatura, umiditate, luminozitate ), suficiente pentru a se organiza depozitarea pe loturi de export. Depozitul se deschide doar cand se incarca tirurile care pleaca la export. In rest, cine intra in depozit se imbraca la fel ca si cand ar intra in operatie, cu masca la gura.

- Elevatoare electrice. Nu ai ce sa cauti in depozite cu stivuitoare care au motor cu combustie interna.

- Instalatii de ambalare si paletizare.

- Instalatii de inscriptionare a laditelor, control, numerotare, evidente, etc.

- Birouri de logistica a transporturilor si management al depozitarilor intermediare.
- Birou de logistica a vanzarilor prin bursele specializate. Practic, se vande productia de fructe si legume, prin bursa, inainte ca acestea sa existe efectiv.
- Laboratore de analiza.

- Fabrica de procesare a legumelor si fructelor ce nu pot fi vandute in circuitul normal.

- Depozite pentru produsele finite ale fabricii de procesare.

- Instalatii de epurare a deseurilor, apelor uzate si returilor biologice.

Nu in ultimul rand, sunt necesari oameni capabili sa munceasca in trei ture, pregatiti profesional pentru ceea ce fac, motivati financiar pentru a fi atenti la munca lor .

Ar fi mai multe de povestit, dar deja m-am plictisit."

Pentru conformitate dau si sursa: http://forum.softped...0 , caci exista inca multe alte persoane cu opinii pertinente si pline de bun simt, care poate sunt ingrijorate de cale pe care o urmam noi ca tara. Si intreb (retoric): Unde` s inteleptii nostri conducatori ? Si pentru ce anume sunt platiti ? :unsure:
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:51 PM

Multumesc foarte mult pentru acest forum!Eu sunt incepator in agricultura dar as vrea sa-mi deschid cateva sere de legumeasa ca acest forum ma ajuta sa aflu mai multe informatii!
Multumesc!

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 02:28 AM

секреты дрессировки чихуахуа дрессировка собак по следу сколько стоит курс дрессировки собак дрессировка взрослой овчарки советы по дрессировке собак дрессировка собак в лобне уроки дрессировки собак самостоятельно дрессировка собак для выставок дрессировка ездовых собак дрессировка собак в балашихе дрессировка пекинеса в домашних условиях дрессировка стаффордширского терьера дрессировка собак в воскресенске померанский шпиц дрессировка дрессировка собак воскресенск дрессировка москва дрессировка собак ипо дрессировка собак кокер спаниель дрессировка собак обучение командам школы по дрессировке собак дрессировка собак породы алабай тибетский мастиф дрессировка дрессировка собак цены в москве сколько стоит обучение собаки дрессировка щенка боксера дрессировка чихуахуа приучение на лоток дрессировка щенка дворняги алабай воспитание и дрессировка жесты при дрессировке собак картинки дрессировка собак бигль обучение собаки командам немецких овчарок дрессировка лабрадора цена французский бульдог дрессировка и воспитание онлайн дрессировка собак дрессировка собак телохранителей дрессировка английского бульдога дрессировка щенка цвергпинчера дрессировка щенка восточно европейской овчарки карточки для дрессировки собак милан цезарь воспитание собак курс дрессировки самоеда дрессировка собак кане корсо обучение легавых собак дрессировка пекинеса в домашних условиях

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 02:31 AM

аккорд дрессировка собак дрессировка щенка в домашних условиях воспитание собаки чихуахуа обучение собак охране дрессировка глухих собак дрессировка бульдога дрессировка охотничьей лайки дрессировка собак в москве зао дрессировка собак в солнцево дрессировка собак в выборгском районе курсы обучения стрижки собак немецкая овчарка уход и дрессировка статьи дрессировка собак дрессировка служебных собак арасланов воспитание гончих собак дрессировка собак с выездом на дом воспитание сторожевой собаки дрессировка щенка стаффордширского терьера дрессировка бельгийской овчарки малинуа воспитание собаки хаски дрессировка собак в медведково дрессировка померанского шпица дрессировка собак в ювао дрессировка йорка дрессировка собак команда рядом курс дрессировки бультерьера дрессировка собак медведково дрессировка собак жуковский дрессировка собак недорого особенности дрессировки лабрадора дрессировка собак область москва программа дрессировки собак дрессировка собак ювао воспитание и дрессировка немецкой овчарки дрессировка щенка мопса дрессировка японского хина дрессировка щенка чихуахуа дрессировка пастушьих собак начальная дрессировка немецкой овчарки дрессировка собак колпино правила воспитания собаки дрессировка взрослой овчарки секреты дрессировки чихуахуа дрессировка фокстерьера гладкошерстного

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 02:32 AM

немецкая овчарка уход и дрессировка йоркширский терьер воспитание и дрессировка бигль дрессировка щенков дрессировка аргентинского дога воспитание и дрессировка щенка овчарки дрессировка собак невский район дрессировка больших собак жесты дрессировки собак дрессировка собак в жуковском дрессировка собак солнечногорск дрессировка собак жуковский виды дрессировки собак дрессировка собак орехово дрессировка щенка цвергпинчера дрессировка собаки на защиту дрессировка щенка мопса защита для дрессировки собак дрессировка ретривера в домашних условиях правильная дрессировка собак секреты дрессировки чихуахуа правильная дрессировка собаки скотч терьер дрессировка сколько стоит обучение собаки дрессировка собак в сзао шарпей дрессировка и воспитание дрессировка сторожевой собаки дрессировка ретривера в домашних условиях дрессировка черных терьеров дрессировка собак боксеров дрессировка далматина дрессировка собак в лобне дрессировка собак шатура дрессировка собак в ногинске какие собаки лучше поддаются дрессировке дрессировка собак для выставок дрессировка собак с какого возраста дрессировка собак лобня дрессировка собак в балашихе курс дрессировки джек рассел терьера уроки дрессировки немецкой овчарки начальный курс дрессировки дрессировка щенков дратхаара ногинск дрессировка собак дрессировка ньюфаундленда

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 02:41 AM

площадки для дрессировки собак дрессировка собак одинцовский район дрессировка чихуахуа дрессировка маламута дрессировка бульдога воспитание собак цезарь дрессировка бульдогов уроки дрессировки щенка дрессировка добермана дрессировка собак химки дрессировка собак команда ко мне дрессировка собака компаньон дрессировка собак команды особенности дрессировки лабрадора команды для дрессировки собак когда начинать дрессировку немецкой овчарки команды дрессировки собак дрессировка собак кокер спаниель общая дрессировка собак дрессировка собак юао дрессировка ретривера дрессировка собак одинцово дрессировка кокеров дрессировка карликового пинчера дрессировка охотничьих собак дрессировка собак возраст дрессировка бигля лабрадор дрессировка щенка дрессировка щенка в домашних условиях дрессировка собак цена общий курс дрессировки собак дрессировка собак в москве сзао дрессировка кокер спаниеля курс дрессировки западносибирской лайки дрессировка йоркширского терьера дрессировка йорка в домашних условиях дрессировка кавказской овчарки дрессировка таксы самостоятельно центр дрессировки собак теория дрессировки собак курс дрессировки лабрадора дрессировка собак протвино дрессировка стаффордширского терьера дрессировка собак долгопрудный

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